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-:- Starting logfile IrcLog IRC log started Thu Jul 12 16:10:00 2001 -:- Value of LOG set to ON [04:10pm] <fkr> [22:09:55] fkr@desperate ~ $ uname -a [04:10pm] <fkr> FreeBSD desperate.hazardous.org 4.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE #0: Sat Apr 21 10:54:49 GMT 2001 jkh@narf.osd.bsdi.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 [04:10pm] <fkr> new computer. [04:10pm] <fkr> not "new" but new to me :) [04:10pm] <tvon> ah, cool [04:10pm] <fkr> got the hardware from my dad. [04:11pm] <tvon> what is it? [04:12pm] <fkr> hehe...hold on: [04:12pm] <fkr> well...dmesg os too long :) [04:12pm] <fkr> celeron 433 [04:12pm] <tvon> ah [04:12pm] <fkr> with 384 mb ram [04:12pm] <tvon> ah, nice [04:12pm] <tvon> I need ram....dammit...while its still cheap [04:13pm] <tvon> wont be happty till I have 512 [04:13pm] <fkr> just a small hard-drive (all other stuff via NFS from my server), sound-blaster live, adaptec scsi etc. etc. [04:13pm] <tvon> well, I wont be totally satisfied untill I have a gig...but Ill settle for 512 [04:13pm] <tvon> cool [04:13pm] <tvon> a friend of mine has my K6/3-350..... [04:13pm] <tvon> tis the one Im putting BSD on when I get it back [04:14pm] <fkr> hehe....that's the tom I like :) [04:15pm] <tvon> heh [04:15pm] <tvon> ugh, I have so much crap to do that I dont want to do... [04:15pm] <tvon> I gotta get a old p-66 up and running as the firewall....what a pain [04:15pm] <tvon> if you hadnt noticed, etria.org dosent point to my computer anymore..... [04:15pm] <fkr> no, i didn't yet.... [04:16pm] <fkr> what happended to brion? [04:16pm] <tvon> no reason you should :-) [04:16pm] <tvon> mmm...dunno [04:16pm] <tvon> he has been busy lately [04:16pm] <tvon> his gf is insane for one... [04:17pm] <tvon> and he took a job waiting tables about 50 miles from here...so he is never home [04:17pm] <tvon> he said his inbox has like 1,000 mails in it that he hasnt read yet -:- hro [1;30m[[0;36mhro@thinktank.mediafarm.ch[1;30m] has joined #smdp [04:18pm] <tvon> hro, hey [04:18pm] <fkr> ah, ahoi holger, [04:18pm] <hro> hi [04:18pm] <tvon> how goes it? [04:18pm] <hro> was looking at irc.openprojects.org [04:18pm] <fkr> damn it...forgot the shirts. [04:19pm] <fkr> *argh* I knew I forgot something.... [04:19pm] <hro> here you are [04:19pm] <tvon> see! its nto that easy :-) [1;34m<fkr[1;34m> tvon, hehe. [04:19pm] <tvon> :-) [04:19pm] <fkr> anyhow....back to tech. business. talked to mawi about ms-sql. [04:19pm] <tvon> ah, cool [04:20pm] <hro> felix, is everything in order with the german smdp website? [04:20pm] <fkr> I'll put some more work in the --convert-mode tonight...the ms-sql-scripts are not good enough yet. [04:20pm] <tvon> cool [04:20pm] <fkr> hro, nop....tvon changed the encontent-developer.php [04:20pm] <tvon> yeah, just added a few lines and stuff.... [1;34m<fkr[1;34m> tvon, I talked to hro (Holger) about him taking care of the german-translation. [04:20pm] <tvon> ah, cool [04:20pm] <hro> it seem's that the documentation link doesn't work? [04:21pm] <tvon> mmm...which one? [04:21pm] <fkr> ack. my fault. [04:21pm] <fkr> german one. didn't sync yet. [04:21pm] <tvon> on the docs page or on the side....ah, ok [04:21pm] <hro> is there already a german documentation? [04:21pm] <tvon> no [04:21pm] <fkr> nope. [04:21pm] <tvon> prob shouldnt start it...current docs could get totally rewritten... [04:21pm] <tvon> wait a few weeks I think [04:22pm] <fkr> hro, did you already sign up for a sourceforge-account? [04:22pm] <hro> ok, i expected that [04:22pm] <hro> hm, well, no [04:23pm] <fkr> go get one. it's free :) [04:23pm] <tvon> holger, what lagnuages are your specialty? (programming) [04:23pm] <fkr> http://sourceforge.net/account/register.php [04:23pm] <tvon> fkr, do you have the SF perms to add people to developer status and whatnot? [04:23pm] <hro> well, i learned c, c++ [04:23pm] <tvon> hro, cool...just curious [04:24pm] <hro> at the moment java [04:24pm] <tvon> nod [04:24pm] <tvon> felix, you said you have a perl script to insert stuff into a db right? [04:24pm] <tvon> mysql? [1;34m<fkr[1;34m> tvon, i should.... [1;34m<fkr[1;34m> tvon, yeah...that's the indexer from my (old) mysql-mp3-project [04:25pm] <tvon> how soon do you think you can modify it? [04:25pm] <tvon> I tried writing a C program.....it freaks out on some tags..... [04:25pm] <fkr> http://www.hazardous.org/fkr/mysql-mp3-tool/ [04:25pm] <tvon> and having a db to play with would make documentation and api wirting easier [1;34m<fkr[1;34m> tvon, probably early next week..... [04:25pm] <tvon> aight. [04:25pm] <tvon> I might pick at it soon... [04:25pm] <tvon> dont know much Perl, but I can hack it a bit [1;34m<fkr[1;34m> tvon, goota do some other jobs (which get some money into my pocket) first, [04:25pm] <tvon> understood [04:26pm]*tvon blows the dust out of his wallet [1;34m<fkr[1;34m> tvon, yeah....feel free to go on it. be warned. it's old and crappy. [04:26pm] <tvon> understood [04:26pm] <tvon> :-) [04:26pm] <fkr> understood. [04:26pm] <fkr> did I mention, that I have a new freebsd-box? *happy* [04:26pm] <fkr> hehe [04:27pm] <tvon> freebsd? I though you were with the openbsd crowd? [04:27pm] <fkr> well....I wanted to give freebsd a shot too.... [04:27pm] <tvon> oh, on the schema.... [04:27pm] <fkr> yes. [04:27pm] <tvon> comments on binary tags? [04:27pm] <tvon> or more to the point... [04:28pm] <tvon> currently, the VALUE in the _feature tables is of type VARCHAR [04:28pm] <tvon> that will work at times...but not always [04:28pm] <fkr> I liked your proposol, of just looking it up in the file on the medium. [04:28pm] <tvon> any info on how common the BLOB type is? [04:28pm] <fkr> never dealt with blob :( [04:28pm] <tvon> that idea will work (looking in the file), but I like what....whats his name....said aobut having diffrent levels of storage [04:29pm] <tvon> where one setting could just hold a pointer to the location in the file, and other setting could hold the binary data itself... [04:29pm] <fkr> mmhm. [04:29pm] <tvon> BLOB is SQL99 standard...but that dont mean its everywhre [04:30pm] <fkr> ack. [04:30pm] <fkr> actually most implementations obey sql92 at max (iirc( [04:30pm] <tvon> ah, wait... [04:30pm] <tvon> blob in mysql = longblob [04:31pm] <tvon> "stores BLOB or TEXT data up to 4294967295 characters in length" [04:31pm] <tvon> according to "SQL in a Nutshell" [04:31pm] <fkr> ack. that's what they write on the website too. [04:31pm] <tvon> ah [04:31pm] <tvon> oracle has blob... [04:31pm] <fkr> hold on, I'll check on postgresql. [04:32pm] <tvon> dong see anything in MS-SQL server about it.... [04:32pm] <fkr> they should have something like that...I'll ask mawi... [04:32pm] <tvon> dont see it in postgre either...in this book anyways [04:32pm] <tvon> ok [04:33pm] <tvon> so, I think the VARCHAR fields should be BLOB....in the _feature tables under "value" I mean [04:33pm] <tvon> if we can.. [04:33pm] <tvon> so we can store text or if the user wants, binary [04:33pm] <fkr> ok...mail to mawi is out (cc: to you) [04:33pm] <tvon> I think [04:33pm] <tvon> cool [04:33pm] <fkr> hro, how about informix? [04:33pm] <fkr> hro, blob-support there? [04:33pm] <hro> just wanted to look for it [04:34pm] <hro> but i can't find my script [1;34m<fkr[1;34m> tvon, have you ever dealt with this strange 'general unique identifier' mawi talked about? [04:34pm] <tvon> on a fs level? [04:35pm] <tvon> well, no...not anywhere [04:35pm] <tvon> :-) [04:35pm] <tvon> wasnt entirely sure what he was talking about either [04:35pm] <tvon> hes talking about identifying individ files with a GUID? [04:36pm] <fkr> i seriously think, some cksum-stuff (like md5) and TRM_id will suffice [04:36pm] <tvon> def [04:36pm] <tvon> md5 alone should do it I think [04:36pm] <tvon> based on probability [04:36pm] <tvon> I mean, its used to ensure the security of debian packages.... [04:36pm] <tvon> ...I think... [04:37pm][1;34m[1;30m[1;34m->fkr[1;30m[1;34m<- what do you mean "--verbose please"? [04:37pm][1;34m[1;30m[1;31m<-fkr[1;30m-> explain more :) [04:37pm][1;34m[1;30m[1;31m<-fkr[1;30m-> more info :) [1;34m<fkr[1;34m> tvon, well....md5 will work... [04:38pm][1;34m[1;30m[1;34m->fkr[1;30m[1;34m<- thats what I though...though you might mean a cvs command or something :-) will send the mail [04:38pm] <fkr> don't find any blob-kinda thingie on postgresql. [04:39pm] <fkr> just checked website...will cross-check with my book. [04:39pm] <tvon> nod [04:39pm] <tvon> we shoudl set the schema release date for a week....and sort thigns out till then [04:39pm] <tvon> the 19th [04:40pm] <fkr> sounds good. [04:40pm] <tvon> mmm...what else is there? [04:42pm] <fkr> I'll deal with the ms-sql stuff in private with Mawi. [04:42pm] <tvon> nod [04:42pm] <fkr> I'll also see to get setup.sh going by next week [04:42pm] <tvon> cool [04:42pm] <fkr> will also see to fix up the indexer. [04:42pm] <tvon> Ill try to get enough documentation to make it clear :-) [04:42pm] <fkr> that's my todo-list until next week. [04:42pm] <fkr> ah, jeah the shirts. [04:42pm] <tvon> heh [04:43pm] <fkr> hehe [04:43pm] <hro> ah, i have it now [04:43pm] <hro> no blob's in informix [04:43pm] <fkr> hro, tell me once your Sourceforge Account is set up, so I can grant cvs-access. [04:43pm] <tvon> damn [04:43pm] <fkr> ok, postgresql and informix then without blob. [04:43pm] <tvon> will just have to convert text to binary I suppose [04:44pm] <tvon> you know, a db-transparent API is going to be tough [04:44pm] <fkr> other way around=? [04:44pm] <tvon> binary to text? [04:44pm] <tvon> hmm... [04:44pm] <hro> stop [04:44pm] <hro> no blob's in informix/se [04:44pm] <hro> i think there are blob's in the main version [04:44pm] <tvon> ah [04:44pm] <fkr> what's the difference? [04:44pm] <fkr> (don't tell me the licensing costs...*lol*) [04:44pm] <tvon> heh [04:45pm] <tvon> you know, we get a Mac/FileMaker user in here and we have most of the common OS spectrum covered [04:45pm] <fkr> hehe [04:45pm] <hro> i think SE is only a smaller version [1;34m<fkr[1;34m> tvon, liked your pda-idea :> [04:46pm] <tvon> oh yeah...I want a iPaq soooooo bad [04:46pm] <tvon> it rocks [04:46pm] <tvon> :-) [04:46pm] <hro> for developers and university's [04:46pm] <fkr> to bad, /me no code motorola-assembler :) [04:46pm] <tvon> mmm...would make it more common for our user-group [04:46pm] <tvon> well, not everything will support BLOB anyways...so some will have to deal with some sort of binary-text conversion [04:47pm] <tvon> fkr, is a linux version for iPaq handhelds [04:47pm] <tvon> runs TWM [1;34m<fkr[1;34m> tvon, i know :) [04:47pm] <tvon> and mini-mysql [04:47pm] <tvon> ah, ok [04:47pm] <tvon> heh [04:47pm] <fkr> but...hey...I'm a palm-user :> [04:47pm] <tvon> ah [04:47pm] <fkr> actually....pilot-user [04:47pm] <tvon> yeah, I might have a Palm soon [04:47pm] <fkr> palm-user is to....kinky :) [04:48pm] <tvon> hehe [04:48pm] <fkr> coudl be misunderstood. [04:48pm] <tvon> esp if your shaking hadns with someone at the time [04:48pm] <fkr> huh....that german pervert. [04:48pm] <tvon> heh [04:48pm] <fkr> *yummy* [04:48pm] <fkr> sic! [04:48pm]*tvon shakes his head [04:48pm] <fkr> hehe [04:51pm] <tvon> aight, Im gonna work on the docs unless anythign else comes to mind to discuss..? [04:52pm] <fkr> not from me. I got my todo-list to work on :) [04:52pm] <tvon> aight, cool [04:52pm] <tvon> Ill stay in here for a bit.....otherwise, talk to you later [04:52pm] <tvon> :-) [04:52pm]*tvon bows deeply [04:53pm] <fkr> :> [04:54pm] <hro> fkr, what about your job for erwin? [04:54pm] <hro> done? [04:54pm] <fkr> mostly. yes. [04:54pm] <fkr> the nice work is done. now the frustrating part starts. [04:54pm] <fkr> cvs co dyn-record on thinktank's cvs-rep. [04:55pm] <fkr> *ARGH*GSOPJILKLajl kljgj [04:56pm] <fkr> i could fsck'ing kick his slobbing ass. [04:56pm] <hro> what? [04:56pm] <fkr> anyone of you guys care to take a look with snmpwalk: [04:56pm] <fkr> snmpwalk thinktank.mediafarm.ch public [04:57pm] <fkr> *sigh* giving our traffic-stats to the world. [04:57pm] <hro> oh [04:57pm] <hro> something wrong with the administration again? [04:58pm] <hro> did you not talk with stefan about it? [04:58pm] <fkr> i might have forgotten too...don't remember [04:58pm] <hro> ok [04:59pm] <hro> can we have a little german talk? [04:59pm] <fkr> guess so....not that I care...either way is fine :> [04:59pm] <hro> ok, hab grad irgendwie probleme mit englisch [05:00pm] <hro> wei auch nicht wieso [05:00pm] <hro> muss dauernd ber alle wrter nachdenken [05:00pm] <fkr> well...so ost das, wenn man es nicht taeglich benutzt :) [05:01pm] <hro> scheint so [05:01pm] <hro> verstehe zwar fast alles was gesagt wird [05:01pm] <hro> aber naja, kannst du dir denken [05:02pm] <fkr> und sonst? wie geht es sonst? [05:02pm] <hro> gut, haette wohl vorhin auch auf deutsch nicht ueber ipaq's mitdiskutieren koenne [05:02pm] <hro> n [05:02pm] <hro> keine ahnung von pda's [05:02pm] <hro> ganz gut [05:02pm] <hro> hab morgen klausur [05:03pm] <fkr> welche? [05:03pm] <hro> bildverarbeitung [05:03pm] <hro> lokale filter [05:03pm] <hro> morphologische filter [05:03pm] <hro> faltungsfilter [05:04pm] <hro> alles auer kaffee- filtern haben wir besprochen [05:04pm] <fkr> krass. [05:04pm] <fkr> viel gleuck [05:04pm] <hro> ach ja [05:05pm] <hro> kann jetzt eine bmp-datei mit nem hex-editor editieren [05:05pm] <hro> ;-) [05:06pm] <hro> haben dieses datei-format durchgekaut [05:07pm] <hro> da gaeb's interessantere [05:07pm] <hro> aber das ist halt relativ einfach IRC log ended Thu Jul 12 17:09:04 2001 |